Why do people still believe in God?

Posted on December 7th, 2007 by Richard Catto 3,276 views

I’ve been having a conversation with an interesting woman on my StumbleUpon who happens to be an Atheist. So last night I wrote her a response which forms the basis of this blog posting of mine.

I think people believe in God because Science has not yet answered many important questions.

For instance, we don’t really comprehend what life is. Not even in an insect, let alone our own species. We don’t know how to make something come to life.

I think if one day man gains the technology to actually bring an inanimate object to life, then that may be the tipping point where people lose their beliefs in God.

But until that Great Day dawns, men and women will continue to find solace in religion.

I find prayer comforting. I know that many people have preconceived ideas about what a Christian is and how a Christian should behave, but actually a Christian is just an ordinary person, like you and I.

If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us shall we not revenge?
- Merchant of Venice, Will Shakespeare

What do you think about this?

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42 Responses to “Why do people still believe in God?”

1. Arnold Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 08:11

   Long ago I found a number of a prayer line for atheists. You dial this number but nobody ever answers. I wonder if Telkom could help.

2. Richard Catto Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 08:23

   Hahaha!!!
   

3. Nick Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 08:43

   Instead of referring to our religion as ‘God’ perhaps we should rather call it Gap. Whenever we don’t understand something or don;t have an explanation, we rush to fill the gap. Hence UFO’s, God and all the other convenient and comforting answers for questions that are not easy to answer.

4. Brian Smart Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 09:24

   Good Morning Richard
   We are, as created beings are something pretty special, however we have a finite intellect and in that sense we are imperfect. We can accept that I believe, as we observe our behaviour every day. That aspect, is only observing our physical presence on this Earth. Spiritually we are even more imperfect. As a pretty sound indicator, we cannot even stop wanting to kill each other.
   The problem of dealing with these human imperfections occupies us every day we live. For my part, I can only reflect my own experiences in trying “to comprehend what life is”. I have found that from a spiritual standpoint the Gospel story just makes sence. Furthermore, it is supported historically to the extent that I am able, even with my limited interlect, to accept it as being true.
   Whatever else we can debate on these matters, I at least am able to witness that I do have that peace’ that passes all mans understanding’.
   Why is that, seekers of truth must ask? For me it is based on the God given promise that
   I and my fellow Christians will, having accepted Him, be one day in His perfect presence.
   I can then get on with this life, imperfect as it is, and live it to the full !

5. Richard Catto Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 09:53

   Btw, I would classify myself as an agnostic Christian who belongs to the Anglican denomination.

   What this means is that I’m not sure that God does actually exist.

   I think many Christians are loathe to accept that a person could identify themselves as both an agnostic as well as a Christian, but I do know that there are even Christian ordained ministers who go the whole hog and identify themselves as atheist Christians.

   I can’t go the whole hog myself, because it doesn’t make sense to me to deny categorically the existence of God. There’s room for doubt on both sides.

   I believe that the intelligent person recognises that both possibilities are equally possible, in the absence of further information.

   If someday, human beings were able to create life in an inanimate object that would serve to win over many more people to the atheist camp, because if we were able to create life, perhaps even a living human being, perhaps even restore life to a dead person, then that would have far reaching implications.

   However, we haven’t done it (yet). Whether we ever will is a discussion I’d be interested to hear.

6. SheBee Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 12:02

   I usually loathe discussing religion. Its right up there with politics and abortion in my eyes. You just don’t mess with it, at the risk of losing an eye or getting bruised.

   I think I will also box myself and say I am agnostic. Although I fall to the rather doubtful scale more than anything else. I will agree, though, that Christians are just normal humans, and its a pity that some of them tend to forget that.

7. Amy Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 13:03

   A good few months back i was actually having a similar discussion with a friend of mine and, since that time, i have officially defined myself as agnostic. I am, however, definately spiritual, but in a personal sense rather than some great, organised, religious subtext type way. I have various theories from various schools of thought i tend to follow in some way, but mostly i live life by my own set of dogmas and have no belief in a finite God-like entity, although, as you said, i cant prove it either way….

   And i havent read the ” Merchant of Venice ” in a long time, but isnt that quote in reference to Jews ?

8. Richard Catto Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 13:24

   Yes, Amy, that quote was said by Shylock about the Jews, but really it applies to anyone, don’t you think?
   

9. Jamesg Says:
   December 7th, 2007 at 15:21

   If there is no absolute reason to moral, there is absolutely no reason to be moral. Without an external reference point, man has no way of informing himself of what is good or evil.

   Man needs GOD more than GOD needs man; without GOD man doesn’t exist as man and we may as well base everything on what we think we see, i.e. nature. So then, who are going to be the doe-eyed bokkies and who are going to be the rapacious leopards & lions? Is there really a difference between Adolf Hitler & Mother Theresa? Does any of it really matter?

10. Amy Says:
    December 7th, 2007 at 23:56

    I believe that it surely does Richard, was just checking that i remembered my Shakespeare correctly….

11. Madoo Says:
    December 9th, 2007 at 02:55

    I think because people are inherently lazy so they take the cornflake-box morality that comes with their religion and run with it. That way they don’t have to derive or justify any of the answers to tricky questions with their own puny minds as the ‘answer’ is a presdetermined, parroted response. God is merely part of the deal. Also, I think people want to be more important than they (as organisms) are – they want to know why we exist, as if that makes existence that much more rewarding? I dunno – a lot of people have no idea what happens to the food they eat, but the lack of knowledge and understanding doesn’t stop their bodies from being able to process it.
    It’s not necessary to have a meaning for life just to live it – ask those insects – they just get on with it.

12. Richard Catto Says:
    December 9th, 2007 at 03:26

    Madoo, thanks for your comment and welcome here.

    I must admit that I find the most frustrating aspect of some religious people to be their lack of willingness to question, challenge and probe their own beliefs, the scripture that they read and the sermons that they hear.

    Labelling myself as an agnostic Christian means that I have problems with much of scripture.

    I strongly resist the attempts of others to define me. I define myself, and no-one else.

    I don’t conform to the expectations of others. A lot of people are confused by this.

13. Gideon O Says:
    December 10th, 2007 at 10:24

    Why people still believe in God.

    The theory that ‘nothing exploded and it was in a big bang’ can only sink in after some brain lyposuction.
    Where did matter come from?
    Where did space come from?
    Where did time come from?
    Where did information come from? (DNA, intelligence, etc)
    Does your science answer any of these questions- even in part?

    Mine says “In the beginning (time) GOD created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)”

    Where did God come from? I DON’T KNOW.
    And I bet that YOU ALSO DON’T KNOW the origin of any of the above items.
    Have you now realized that you are just as religeous as one who believes in God.
    As lon as you are alive, you have to believe in something- evolution or whatever it may be.
    However, Government tax is used to try and pass Evolution as SCIENCE in schools.
    Poor students- eager to learn meaningful things.

    Bones dont speak.
    Bones dont have date stamps on them.
    Bones dont even indicate whether they had offsprings.
    Only Sangoma bones have acquired this craft- educate me.

    Imagine two computers asking each other where man came from?
    What would they say?
    They cannot see man.
    They are not even equiped to know what they purpose is.
    Our level of intelligence in science today is only uncovering the surface of the treasures of creation.
    We have never created matter, we have never created space, we have never created life.
    We should be willing to be humble and submit to the One who knows the purpose for your existence.

    It is impossible to deny that there is design in all creation.
    The Intelligent Designer theory is more credible and scientific.
    It can make predictions and draw conclusions. That is Science- based on observation.
    Design without a designer? How do you arrive at such a conclusion without bias.
    I have never seen and never met Mr Benz but I KNOW he lived because I drive one of his designs.

    I have seen different designs of Mercedes Benz.
    I dont know of any scientist who came to the conclusion that the car evolved to its present form. We have all concluded that the similarities in design are probably specific to a particular team of designers but the details are unique to every creation.

    There is purpose to creation. Life has meaning. Reason behind things. The Creator knows.
    Try and explain your conscience.
    If we were part of a random process, then genocide and ethnic cleansing is justified.
    Evolution has been the source of these vices.
    We, then, are mere pollutants and the more we get rid of human beings the better it will be for this planet. But that is not the truth and we all KNOW it.

    Evolution is fairy tale for adults- long disproven by the discovery of DNA
    (ie if my arm is chopped of, my children will not be born with one arm).
    Therefore the effects of environment on one cannot be passed on by genetically.
    I know many BELIEVE in evolution, but I also know that the majority have at times been wrong- it is called democracy, not science.

    An Atheist?
    To qualify the statement that there is NO God, you need to have ABSOLUTE knowledge having search EVERYTHING.
    Therefore, to be an Atheist, you need to know everything. I have not yet met that man.
    An Agnostic, however is one who says, ‘I don’t know whether there is a God’.
    Atheist are actually agnostics, whether they admit it or not.
    However to qualify the statement, ‘there is a God,’ one only need to have reasonable evidence-of which there is plenty.

    The debate now should be which God is true.
    Lay you cards on the table and let us test it with fire.

    Belief in God and creation is scientific and makes sense.
    Read Romans 1:16 to the end.

    Gideon

14. jp Says:
    December 11th, 2007 at 16:04

    gideon… may I ask what literature you have read on evolution? I doubt you have read anything credible. Because if you had all your boring, old and well used arguments have been dealt with. Maybe start reading something that actually gives you some information on the topic you feel the need to sprout forth your knowledge on and it won’t sound like gibberish.

15. Gideon O Says:
    December 18th, 2007 at 16:48

    dear jp…
    I’m glad you have an interest on the subject.
    I apologize if I sound abit disjointed(gibberishy)- i did it in a hurry in between other things.
    Also because I’m quite well versed on the subject and so this kind of stuff (deceit and misguiding) really annoys me.

    Talking about scientific literature- I presume you are a scientist or atleast someone who knows how science works:
    1. Observation;
    2. Formulation of theory to justify the observation;
    3. Making predictions based on the theory;
    4. Testing the theory; and
    5. Conclusion whether the theory is GIBBERISH or FACT based on the results of the test.
    Relook at what I said before in this light.

    It is unfortunate that it is impossible for us to search all things before we store them in our memories as FACT. We therefore mostly have to believe by FAITH that those involved did their homework well. Ocassionally, you would stumble upon a particular subject and put your mind to searching it as deeply as I have the subject of EVOLUTION. Unless a new type of evidence is tabled, evolution remains a theory that scientifically cannot make any credible predictions.

    At the risk of going on too much, let me just zoom in on the aspect of the discovery of DNA for example. Science concludes that:
    1. Our environmental adaptations cannot be handed down to our children. ie, if i live in the tropics and my skin tans to a permanent darker complexion, my child will still be born with my original complexion or if I have my fingers chopped off, my sons (and great-grand-sons) will still be born with five fingers. Why are scientists not shouting this from their roof tops.
    2. DNA contains specific, precise and organised information. I’m in architecture and can bear testimony to the fact that to communicate a design takes alot of deligence, precision and calculation. To put together specifications to match those contained in DNA is impossible- even with the help of our interllect. How can one then scientifically conclude that it is the product of a random process. It is only with ALOT OF BIAS against the alternative (GOD) that one would hold on so tightly to such an ILLOGICAL conclusion.
    3. Specific precise design information- WHERE DID THE INFORMATION COME FROM?
    4. The delicate process of how different DNA stands join to make one at CONCEPTION.
    5. From the study of DNA, all credible scientists agree that we are slowly degenerating sort of like making a photocopy from a photocopy, from a photocopy, from a photocopy down the generation tree. That is why we are likely to get deformed children if we marry close relatives- people with the same deformities. Evolution is only possible on the premise that with every mutation we are improving. Scientific Observation shows reveals the opposite. Infact, 99.9% of mutations result in serious and unsightly deformities.
    6. Even with intelligence we cannot create one self replicating DNA(LIFE).
    7. I can go on and on but I’ll stop here for now. Call me on +27-82-722 3031 or reply.

    I’ve tried not to field gibberish and hope you are beginning to feel my flow. On literature- do you know that, despite this, even National Geographic still promotes evolution as science? Therefore, I understand why many still stay ignorant. It is not by choice, they HAVE FAITH in National Geographic- they do their homework, do they?.
    Consider this- if Evolution is found to be false and unsientific:
    -How many college departments will have to be closed down?
    -How many professors will be left jobless?
    -How many theme parks will be rendered useless?
    -How many tourist attractions will be no more?
    There is alot as stake.

    You, however, my dear friend, you owe it to yourself to dig deeper than someone ele’s lies to verify your conclusions. You don’t need access to a lab to test these theories. And if you find that your judgement is being controlled by a strong ANTI-GOD sentiment, deal with it. I also believed in evolution and had researched the subject deeply only to find that it was my search for anything to get God off my back that was driving me to these conclusions. And when MY BIAS was put off, the Creation Theory made more sense.

    My FAITH in God is now easier. Evolution is the only escape for agnostics and here I’m letting you know that it is no escape at all. I have spoken to many people on these things in the streets of Cape Town and I have found that the only reasons why people want to hold on to evolution is because they hate the idea of a God who has specific demands on their freedom.
    Just because you don’t see the spiritual does not mean that it doesn’t exist. You don’t see gravity but you will fall whether you believe it or not. Statistics show that 10 out of 10 die. Would you like to risk eternal damnation (HELL) just because JESUS was in the other half of the things that you did not know? Don’t you owe it to yourself atleast to find out, or even better secure a place in HEAVEN, just incase the BIBLE is true? Does this annoy you? Then, why do want to pass yourself as the IMPATIAL one? Is that why you don’t want to believe in God? Is your mind made up and or are you READY TO CONSIDER this things? Is being rigid and unaccomodating being scienfific to you?
    Let me answer this for you: You don’t know if Jesus is true. You do not want to accomodate this. It annoys you- you are not impatial. You have predetermined that evolution is true. You don’t want to consider Jesus. It is your choice- you have decided. It is not based on FACT or SCIENCE or SENSE.
    This sentiment is not new, it was the same 2000years before Jesus walked the earth. Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    Take this seriously because you owe it to yourself and your family.
    Remember on 9/11 people jumped 100 floors to escape FIRE.
    Please think about these thing and consider very carefully.
    There is no harm in being required to live an honest life and to love your neighbour.
    You don’t have to go to hell.

16. Gideon O Says:
    December 18th, 2007 at 17:08

    I will will keep hummering at Evolution because it is the only none sense that agnostics and so called atheists have to hold onto while they are misguiding our children the world:

    What do you get if a tornado hits the biggest junkyard in the world for 4.5 billion years?

    A fully assembed “Nationwide” Boeing aeroplane complete with the correct bolts to hold engine, ready forthe runway.

    Is that brain lyphosuction or what?

17. Gideon O Says:
    December 18th, 2007 at 17:57

    Long ago a brown liquid collected some place far away. A thin metal alloy formed around it. As it came to the surface it passed through red paint. When it got to the surface the sun shone on parts of the metal enclosure and bleached the words “Brrrr Coca-Cola”. As it went along, it happened be scratced at one end and a tab got fixed onto the scratched part.
    That is the evolution of the CocaCola can.

    This story would sound fine to me until I see the Coca-Cola can- it looks designed, it has balance, etc.
    If 1 was 6months old I would not even know I was being told a story (STUPID).
    If I was a 1year old I won’t know what the story was about (AGNOSTIC).
    If I was 4 years old I would believe the story and inqure nothing more (IGNORANT).
    If I was 13 years old I would stop believing the story (AGNOSTIC WHO THINKS HE’S AN ATHEIST)
    If I was 18 years old would believe the story as being true from the point of view of the Coca-Cola can.
    If I was a Coca-Cola can I would believe the story to be true and the process to be uniquely random.
    If I was a well informed mature person I would know that someone made the machine, another mined metal, another made the soft drink, another designed the can, etc in a systematic manner to end up with the product.

    How then can we dare make conclusions? How can we pretend to understand this?
    There are enough stars in the univers for each one of us to own 1 trillion stars.
    Obviously the maker of all this universe is much much bigger than all this.
    We dont understand a trillionth of the treasures of the earth.
    You then dare say God is some figment of someone’s imagination. Touch yourself, you exist, you are designed- if you wer assymetrical, wouldn’t you concerned. You, a tangible product were definately not created in figment of someon’es imagination.
    I implore you to stop being silly. Put away childish things, mature up and submit to God!

    1Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

18. Matthew Doucette Says:
    May 4th, 2008 at 18:25

    Gideon O, your understanding of evoluation is fundamentally flawed. You use logic and reason, and I would like to educate you on how evolution ACTUALLY works and let you attack it from a more proper standpoint.

    I can show you explainations on:
    - evolution is not random
    - dna supports evolution
    - evolution creates information
    - evolution creates morality
    - etc.

    Evolutionists agree with all of your analogies. Your analogies are just very bad, and unfortunately very common.

    I can debunk your car, 747, and coca-cola analogies with ease… these objects do not self-replicate and do not self-maintain. You need analogies that do this, as it is a profound logic flaw to skip this most important aspect. I challenge you to create an analogy that has self-replication, and still requires a designer.

19. Wes Says:
    August 24th, 2008 at 22:00

    I find it surprising that we haven’t yet gotten over all of this. A glance at human history, a little bit of consideration of science, and a dash of common sense makes all supernatural things just ridiculous assertions.

20. Chris Says:
    September 4th, 2008 at 02:24

    Gideon, you have to realize, that as atheists we don’t presume to know everything. We use science to TRY to explain the world around us. Think, a few hundred years, the world believed in spontaneous generation. We have a long ways before we get even close to fully understanding the world…which will probably never happen as we have a limit to our knowledge

21. owen Says:
    October 8th, 2008 at 12:31

    wow. i just wanted to post here and say that gideon is an idiot.

22. Tom Says:
    December 12th, 2008 at 07:01

    I also had to agree with Owen on this, Gideon just rehashes what the normal naive religous person says to try and prove Evolution is a lie.

23. Will Says:
    March 13th, 2009 at 04:39

    People who dont believe in god is just going to get punished. Look how the world is right now suffering because nobody believe’s in god. To be honest with you if you believe in god and have faith god could take you farther in life. Keep believeing in technology cause the question is how did technology all start? Ask your self this how did the tree get there? if you say a seed made the tree then how did the seed get there to make the tree. You see God created us and created everything else including us. Without him there is no us or things. There is a God you just have to believe and have faith. I know God has been there for me threw my good time and my worst time but with out him i wouldnt be here. You know what its all thanks to him.

24. Marko Says:
    March 14th, 2009 at 19:45

    Tsk tsk Will, what a load of gibberish… I’m so tired of the religious scare-mongering, ‘you will get punished’ bullshit. You fuckers have, for centuries, in the name of your god, tortured, murdered and opressed people. For some reason you think that without your god, people are incapable of knowing the difference between right and wrong and we’re all damned… shit, I thought your god loved everyone… apparently not.

25. Richard Catto Says:
    March 14th, 2009 at 21:34

    @Marko: Watch these two great movies on YouTube, called Zeitgeist:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHiuaGJ46zo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs

26. Marko Says:
    March 15th, 2009 at 19:42

    Thanks Richard, been meaning to watch that. Bit long to stream from YouTube, must try and find the DVDs somewhere…

27. Richard Catto Says:
    March 15th, 2009 at 20:35

    Yeah well, I watched them all via YouTube and that’s why I don’t have any bandwidth left this month!

    At least I saved them to hard disk, using an FF plugin.

28. Bobby Revell Says:
    March 15th, 2009 at 20:49

    I believe in God, but in my own way. I do not believe in Jesus because I believe Jesus is a mythological person who never actually existed, but I respect everyone no matter their religious practices. One thing is definite, the power of belief has a soothing and comforting effect on our lives. Generally it’s a good thing to believe in something

29. Marko Says:
    March 15th, 2009 at 21:32

    I don’t mind what people believe, just as long as they don’t try and push it on to me, tell me how happy it makes them, mess with free speech, cause traffic jams on Sundays, etc.

    What do you people think of the Sax Appeal/Pick ‘n Pay fiasco?
    Personally it angered me. If you don’t like porn, don’t read/view it. If you can’t take a ‘god joke’ don’t read/view it.

    What does make me happy though is that the number of free thinkers in the world seems to be on the increase. See http://www.atheistbus.org.uk/.

30. Richard Catto Says:
    March 15th, 2009 at 21:43

    @Marko: Well if you watch the Zeitgeist Addendum, you’ll see why PnP reacted the way they did.

    It all comes down to profit.

    We live in a society run by MONEY. Everything we do, say, think is conditioned by the FEAR of losing money, of not being able to pay the bills.

    So the need for MONEY enslaves us, makes our rights subservient to the whims of others.

    No matter how many free speech rights we have, if they clash with the people we depend on to make a living, we will get personally hurt.

    That is one of the fundamental messages that you can infer from the Zeitgeist.

    In order to be truly free, they argue that we need to switch from being a monetary based economy to a resource based economy.

    This subject needs an essay, and perhaps I will write it, but not in this comment.

31. Marko Says:
    March 16th, 2009 at 00:49

    @Richard: I will definitely have to watch it soon.
    I do understand the financial issue but it is worrying (to me) that religion can be so important, and religious groups have so much power in our society.

    You know what offends me? Here’s a few things
    - Clanging churchbells way, way too early on a Sunday morning.
    - Assholes parked across my driveway because their stupid church parking lot is full.
    - Arabic wailing emanating from high power sound equipment in mosque towers.
    - Muslims get to bugger off to pray on a Friday while others have to work, and for the same pay.

    I don’t know what the Christians found so offensive about the article anyway, it’s pretty tongue-in-cheek. I especially liked the last one:
    Woman1: “You’re going to hell…”
    Man: “I’ve always been fond of a tropical climate.”
    Woman2: “But God loves you…”
    Man: “Then why is he sending me to hell?”

    Lol, anyway, perhaps those religious fanatics have forgotten about the true purpose of the RAG magazine and all the good work that Shawco does…

32. Richard Catto Says:
    March 17th, 2009 at 00:04

    @Marko: Religious groups have power only because money gives them power.

    Consumer boycotts overrule human rights. They are fundamentally at war with one another.

    it doesn’t matter what laws we enact, if people have the power to withhold money (or other resources) then those rules and those human rights can be overridden.

    You must remember that Christians have as a first priority in life their religious beliefs. Everything else is subservient to those.

    And they are petty. If you make fun of their beliefs, they will retaliate. If you support something that goes against their morals, they will threaten.

    It is an ongoing power struggle, and it is a fundamental part of humanity.

33. Selwyn Says:
    March 17th, 2009 at 21:30

    Atheists cannot dissprove God as has been the case in Britain recently. At one time they were running ads on busses which read,”there is no God so get on and enjoy your life”. Then Britain told the atheists to remove the ad as if you cannot prove a statement the ad must be removed or altered. As they could not prove God does not exsist they then changed the ad to read,”God probably does not exsist so go and enjoy your life. The ad lost its appeal. The atheist at least have their own holiday which falls on the 1st of April. Psalm 14 V1 reads,”The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God”. So there it is “April fools day is the holiday of the atheist. Ok all joke aside. I have read some of the comments above and im not disgusted, dissapointed, surprised at the diverse comments made. Firstly i grew up in an Anglican church for about 22 years and not once was it told to me how to give my life to Christ, nor was there any altar call. I believe VERY few Anglican ministers are actually called into the ministry but do it as a profession and did not display the moving of the Spirit. I do not judge them therefore and pray that they will see the light. I mean take Desmond Tutu for instance especially when apartheid was in place, Desmond himself said that if Jesus was on earth He would take up an AK47 and shoot the whites, soory TUTU thats not my Jesus you refer to. Desmond talks and lot and likes to be seen and heard but God does not work through him. Also they (Anglicans) allow GAY ministers to serve in the church. Sorry Richard i know you are one too. But hey i certainly do not judge you and neither does God. He loves everybody but hates the sin, now there are many scriptures backing that up but will not get into that now. And to MARKO yes GOD does love everybody and NO he is not sending everybody to hell, they are sending themselves to hell through there own admission, pornography, oh the list is endless, you see Satan is real and rules over hell and when you do things pleasing to satan then he accepts you into hell. In other words your reward for serving satan is hell hereafter and your reward for accepting Jesus and serving Him is Heaven. So don’t blame God for your lifestyle man, stand up and make your own rightful decision. Yes you can say “gibberish and bs and what ever you want, but rememberthis 17th March or when ever you or anybody reads it that you have been shown the way to everlasting eternity in heaven is through Jesus himself. You cannot when you stand and you will stand before Him one day deny you were told the truth. We love homosexuals as God but do not accept the sin they are in and they would have to repent to experience everlasting life. If anyone denies God i will prove to him he does exsist. Some examples are that of all the prophecies in the bible and there are hundreds, almost all of them have come true and there are only a handful left before His return. All the healings that have taken place and have been documented by non believing doctors. There are so many instances where Jesus has appeared even to a little muslim girl when she was buried alive she described Him to the tee, holes in hands and feet too. She did not even know of Jesus before it happened. And to Bobby who does not believe in Jesus, wow what can i say, how can you not believe in someone if you have not read about Him, its is like giving me an autobiography of say Winston Churchill, should i not believe in him until i have read the book, first read it then make another decision, you say you believe in God yet not Jesus, God himself said “this is my beloved Son in whom i am well please”, God is no liar. Also i see people scoff at , let me say this as a christian i see it not as a religion but a relationship with my Father God. Ok so people scoff and ridicule all religions and a whole lotta other things, but hey again we dont hate you and become defensive, we as christians and God still loves you and you have your whole life to make that crucial decision to serve Him. He has given you more than enough time. Richard my friend, you have a public news item here in which you use profanity here for the world to see, are you proud of it? Can you not rather use this as a constructive site for the good of mankind. As i said your life is vrot and please i am not judging you but i know you a little better, you believe in abortion, all the biblical principles you are against and it is sad to see you talking against it, please make right and no, not OR ELSE, remember you are the master of your own destination. Take care and God loves you all.

34. Selwyn Says:
    March 17th, 2009 at 21:56

    oh yeah Richard, you say you have problems with some scriptures. You will never fully understand the bible if you have not been saved, trust me when i was a non believer i had no clue what the bible meant, but when i got saved it is as though my eyes had been opened to a whole new world. There was a muslim cleric by the name of Ahmed Deedat born in Durban. He was well versed in the bible and went around the world statind certain untruths about Jesus, for instance Jesus did not die on the cross and Jesus is not the son of God and Jesus is not God and the list is endless. It is almost like the one atheist going around the world telling all God does not exsist. Weird to go around the world if he knows there is no God to tell others that something does not exsist. Why go to all the trouble if it is not in exsistence, me thinks he knows more than that. Anyway i could not understand why Ahmed Dedat knew the bible so well yet he believed it not. Then i realised because he was not a born again christian he could not know it. You can read it yet not know it, make sesnse? as a matter of fact in 1995 Ahmed Deedat had a stroke and was paralysed from the nose down and could not utter a word until his death in 2005. NOW i know a lot of you gonna say how can God do this. Well His own words are, “i have come to give life and give it more abundantly. It is satan who comes to steal kill and destroy.

35. Marko Says:
    March 18th, 2009 at 15:55

    What a typical long-winded religious diatribe from bible basher Selwyn…

    We know Winston Churchill existed because he was prime minister of UK during a WORLD WAR you idiot.
    Was Jesus there to save the Jews? I think not.

    Sure we cannot prove that your god does not exist, but based on circumstance we can say it is most likely. The words on the bus campaign were changed because stupid people got offended.
    Fact is, you happy clappers cannot prove that he/she/it exists either.

    Do you honestly believe that your sole purpose on earth is to believe in some supernatural being, and then to serve said being when you die… for eternity? Shame man…

36. Selwyn Says:
    March 18th, 2009 at 20:36

    I never bible bash just state the facts, apparently you did not read properly. Hitler was leader of the Germans but did he save them, NO he did not, Jesus was king of the jews yes. The words were changed not because of stupid people, law in UK or the advertising standards said if you cannot prove something you cannot advertise it, makes perfect sense. And once again YES WE CAN prove he exsists, read above again MARKO. And YES i do believe your last statement absolutely 100%. I pray you will one day too. There have been many atheist in life who on there death bed have confessed their ignorance and committed their lives to Christ, hope you will do the same one day before it is to late. Whatever you say here will not hurt my feelings nor change anything, we still love you MARKO bro.

37. Marko Says:
    March 18th, 2009 at 23:23

    Selwyn please, you cannot prove it – that is a fact. In a manner typical of you Jesus freaks, you try to divert the argument by throwing in something like Hitler. Wtf are you on about there?

    Nobody told Ariane Sherine to change the wording, read why she chose to use the word ‘probably’ here.

    Facts you say? Rubbish… you even seem to have appointed yourself as a representative of your god (as so many of you do). I’m sure this being, if it were real would be able to speak for itself. What language does your god speak by the way? What language did he speak to Adam and Eve?
    Why doesn’t he want to speak to us? A bit rude if he expects us to serve him don’t you think? What kind of sick bastard creates human beings, puts us on a planet and watches us squirm around and then kills us, all for the sole purpose of being his slaves!?

    For centuries man has ascribed anything that couldn’t be explained or understood to some mythical or supernatural force. This is all your god (and all the others) is, a myth. Get over it.

38. Selwyn Says:
    March 19th, 2009 at 08:38

    Wow, so the bible is right, “CAST NOT YOUR PEARL BEFORE SWINE LEST THEY TRAMPLE THERE ON AND TURN AGAINST YOU”!
    Have a good life Marko, thereafter, well is entirely up to you now that you know the truth but obviously deny it.

39. Selwyn Says:
    March 19th, 2009 at 08:42

    My work is done here. “Our fight is not against flesh and bone but against the dark principalities of this world”.

40. Marko Says:
    March 19th, 2009 at 08:44

    *yawn* whatever, run along now. Poor sap…

41. Marko Says:
    May 13th, 2009 at 19:27

    Ok, seen Zeitgeist eventually, both… fantastic! Now do yourselves a favour and watch Religulous.

42. Adamo Says:
    May 19th, 2009 at 17:46

    Marko -
    I took 2 religious family members to see Religulous. I laughed out loud during the entire movie. them…not so much. lol

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